zen nudist

Joined

• started 34 topics
• posted 1,102 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by zen nudist

• 
  60

  I hear this crap all the time!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the person that co-wrote johnny cash's song ring of fire died just yesterday.

  his name is merle kilgore.

  together, he and june carter cash come up with that song.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  zen nudist

  from buddhism I find an interesting concept

  the Buddha taught that those who say there is an immortal soul are mistaken, but those who deny one were just as mistaken... which of course leaves most poeple just scratching their heads.....

  for me it boils down to this:

  I have NEVER known a moment when I did not exist and I will never know such a moment.....

  but the me who knows is always existing only in one moment, now.... so NOW is the only moment I ever have to worry about...

  is there life after death? the main thing to me is there life BEFORE death? even if I was reincarnated from a prior existance, that does not guarentee that system will continue either.... so now is all I got, now is when I always find myself alive, now is when I have to make any decisions that I need to make, so now is where I have learned to live...and my life has significantly improved since I have stopped trying to live in the future and stopped worrying about changing the past...two things I have never experienced, but only worried too much about.

  metaphysically I find that I am a wave upon the ocean and the ocean.... what I am is made of many changing elements and relationships of the one thing which never changes, the overall total universe which never grows nor shrinks in energy... while it may change wildly in size and shape and relationships within it.... so part of me is never the same from moment to moment while all of me is always the same eternally...which I believe answers the buddha's puzzle.
• 
  60

  I hear this crap all the time!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the person that co-wrote johnny cash's song ring of fire died just yesterday.

  his name is merle kilgore.

  together, he and june carter cash come up with that song.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  zen nudist

  Am I making any sense at all here, or do I need another cup of coffee?

  I almost quit when this issue first popped into my head... but at the time, right after clearing a judicial meeting for minor sexual misconduct [I visited a strip joint]... it seemed too demonic...like some demon whispered into to my ear.... so I struggled with it... I asked myself things like what made a person on star trek the same after he was murdered by the machine on one side and put back together on the other?

  a question that apparently Dr McCoy was also not sure about...

  the JW explanation was that God's memory stored your exact patterns so he could re-produce you... but to me that still screamed COPY. and a little thought experiment I shared when I first came on board many moons ago will illustrate:

  there is nothing to stop the Almighty one from making this EXACT copy of me right here, right now, BEFORE I die...and if he did so, I would plainly KNOW it was not me because I would still be over here looking at it.... so why does my death change that most significant fact? why would my clone or copy become me just because THIS me is out of the picture?... but in asking that, what really makes me linked to the me I was say yesterday? without some sort of soul linkage, I am really just like George washingtons axe... the handle was replace because it wore out and later the blade was replaced because it rusted away, but it still occupies the same space....

  there seems to be some definite part of me who thinks it is still the same me it was ten years ago and that may be an illusion, but apparently everyone on earth to some degree accepts it and the same for themselves... unless of course they are less than ten (^_^)
• 
  60

  I hear this crap all the time!

  by Schizm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the person that co-wrote johnny cash's song ring of fire died just yesterday.

  his name is merle kilgore.

  together, he and june carter cash come up with that song.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  zen nudist

  Yes, there's a world of difference. Christendom claims that we all have immortal souls, from the time we're conceived. The WTS says that's not true.
  As far as I know, no one knows at all what will happen after death. Maybe we will just deliver good food for maggots, maybe immortal parts of us go to heaven, hell, to another existence or.... . Who knows! Do you know more than me? I'd love to know! Share your wisdom, please!

  JW CONvi N cED me that no immortal soul existed, which seems to match what one can gather from material examination of the world around us.... but in doing so, they also made me question how it would be ME being resurrected if I were to die right now... after all, as my youngest brother pointed out to me, its only a copy of me.... why should I live the JW life only to assured some clone or copy of me would enjoy paradise? When I left JWs I was fairly CONvi N c ED that when I died it would be the end of me and that would be that...which lead me to do not a few reckless things for a while.... but out of curiosity I tried something called past life regression.... the first time I came away farily unchanged in my views... but a year later I tried again and at first, right at the time of doing it, I was no different... but within days, I started a week long series of truly unique and life altering dreams like none prior nor since and now I am far from sure either way... I seemed to relive to different lives prior to my current birth... I learned something of history from one that I had never heard nor read about in this one but yet was historically accurate and I even found the reason why I had never learned of it before....

  so who is lying? I think its anyone who pretends to KNOW the real answer.
• 
  22

  The horror of blimps

  by pr_capone in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i posted this about 2 years ago and just came across it again today.

  its definately worth re-posting.

  last week while travelling i stopped at a zany brainy store and saw that they had a blimp for sale.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  zen nudist

  you can probably recoupe the money by sending that story to READERS DIGEST
• 
  65

  I Q

  by stillajwexelder in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  already got a thread on intelligence but any of you care to state what your measured iq is/was last time you checked 9had it checked)

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  zen nudist

  my school record said 128

  but in 1989 I took an unofficial test which I also gave to 5+ people, and their scores all matched their school scores, but

  mine was 153....

  I had just lost 80lbs and was feeling top of the world, and I suppose that a retake today would score far lower (^_^)
• 
  18

  What was Russell? Really?

  by IP_SEC in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  what was ct russell?

  freemason?

  rosicrucian?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  zen nudist

  he was a man who was not CONvi N cED by the religion of his family.... he searched the world for answers to questions that had no answers until one day he found answers that CONvi N cED him enough to CON vince others.

  the more CONvi N c ED he became the more he seemed like A CON vin cing MAN to others. people admire CONvincing MEN because they possess the CONfidence they so desire in themselves.
• 
  18

  JW Distinctions w/o a Difference

  by Amazing1914 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  distinctions without a difference:

  issues regarding jw beliefs and teachings bugged me going into the religion, and bugged me until i left.

  they are those oh so all-important claims they make that other religions are doing such bad things ... yet they do the same thing ... but, they manage to draw some kind of technical distinction that really makes no difference.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  zen nudist

  They say they are "Spirit Directed" and "God's Sole Channel of Communication" yet they deny being Prophets.

  yes spirit DIRECTED but NOT inspired .... well what does inspired mean other than spirit directed?
• 
  43

  tug of war ensuing

  by And1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ladies and gents, how are you all?

  great...now thats out of the way, i need you guys to do me a favour, i have been reading up on jws for the past three/four years, the people are pleasent enough and live fairly ordinary lives....some could say boring....(lets call up susie for a game of cards!!!!!

  i come here with a problem....my problem is simple and clear cut, it could even be summed up in one word..."hope".

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  zen nudist

  I woke up

  I came to realize that "THE TRUTH" is just another of many lies which humans have dreamed up over time... I came to see that I have no means of testing anything to be THE TRUTH. The best I seem able to until I disover otherwise, is to determine what APPEARS work for now and which experiences seem to match or not match my beliefs.

  Many if not all religions I am aware of say that FAITH is critical.... it seems to me the reason why is because they are presenting a lie which cannot be verified in any way shape nor form... and like any other con artist, faith is required by the mark to accept the lies which the con artists tell... and like many con artists, religions used threats and irrational fears they also dreamed up to make people worried about not taking their long shot gamble over what seems to be reality.... the old story called the Emporer's new clothes seem to apply but few seem to realize it.

  also I discovered by studying psychology, how hypnosis works and how the mind can be manipulated and saw this at work in all the religions I know about.... especially JWs.

  most of all, I realized that the concept of a creator god is totally irrational and unnecessary for anything I have ever experienced and will likely experience and so until someone can show me otherwise, I will not gamble on human myths, fantasies or cures to irrational fears.
• 
  16

  Monopoly - Bethel /JW Edition

  by TheEdge in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  .

  i was playing monopoly the other night and reminiscing on the different editions (i have the british, london one) - have played the american one, and various continental, and there are various ''movie'' editions -well, last night as i was playing, i was thinking how much fun a jw one would be....need a bit of input for this... eg, started to snigger when i picked up the ''it's your birthday.....'' i suggest ''it's your birthday, collect a shunning from each player''.

  then there's the free parking , err....''free bible study''?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  zen nudist

  hows about each player representing a different evangelical religion and the blocks being territories they have dominated

  and you can build churches and temples and kingdom halls on teach property (^_^)
• 
  10

  Attention Computer Geeks! Which training would you take?

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it is time for me to choose which training classes i want to take.

  this is a very new experience for me!

  i have been a contractor for a long time and i'm not used to my employer asking me what i would like to do... and have them pay for it!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  zen nudist

  find something in LINUX

  along Debian lines